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KellyAllan
Invite not able to accept
Sep 21 2009, 1:34 PM EDT | Post edited: Sep 21 2009, 1:34 PM EDT
I have one student who is not able to accept the invite and I can't figure out why. I have tried to invite him now with three different emails, but to no avail. He gets the invitation, but when the wetpaint pop-up comes up, he gets the members only page. Has anybody else had this experience or know what to do? Do you find this valuable?    
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MmeNixon
1. RE: Invite not able to accept
Sep 22 2009, 2:15 PM EDT | Post edited: Sep 22 2009, 2:15 PM EDT
I am having the same problem with several of my students. They have been able to create an account, but can't log in. Please help! Do you find this valuable?    

CryingDove
2. RE: Invite not able to accept
Sep 22 2009, 9:23 PM EDT | Post edited: Sep 22 2009, 9:24 PM EDT
Hi, I am a moderator at Wetpaint Central. Sorry to inform you, the invite to private sites has been discontinued.

I quote from jeremy_wetpaint at Wetpaint Central

"Users are not able to join a private site by invitation at this time. The solution is to change your site permissions so that it is not private and invited members will then be able to join. Once the members have joined you can change the site back to private.

How to change site permissions settings - http://www.wetpaintcentral.com/page/Site+Permissions+Settings "

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KellyAllan
3. RE: Invite not able to accept
Sep 23 2009, 1:36 PM EDT | Post edited: Sep 23 2009, 1:36 PM EDT
"Hi, I am a moderator at Wetpaint Central. Sorry to inform you, the invite to private sites has been discontinued.

I quote from jeremy_wetpaint at Wetpaint Central

"Users are not able to join a private site by invitation at this time. The solution is to change your site permissions so that it is not private and invited members will then be able to join. Once the members have joined you can change the site back to private.

How to change site permissions settings - http://www.wetpaintcentral.com/page/Site+Permissions+Settings "

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I tried this and it worked - all students are now registered.
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MmeNixon
4. RE: Invite not able to accept
Sep 23 2009, 2:25 PM EDT | Post edited: Sep 23 2009, 2:25 PM EDT
Thank you! :) Problem solved! Do you find this valuable?    
KlausPeters
KlausPeters
5. RE: Invite not able to accept
Sep 27 2009, 4:34 PM EDT | Post edited: Sep 27 2009, 4:34 PM EDT
This is sad. By going full steam commercial, Wetpaint disables features that made it during the last two years to a prime choice for Education. The membership management was easy and transparent. Now?
It would be helpful to teachers, if Wetpaint announces in advance when features of the sites are changed that affect directly the use of the Wetpaint Wikis in the classroom. The disturbance in my class from this member invitation change during the teaching period caused serious problems in my class management. It seems that the Wetpaint "crew" does not care.
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GBC
6. RE: Invite not able to accept
Oct 30 2009, 7:45 PM EDT | Post edited: Oct 30 2009, 7:45 PM EDT
"This is sad. By going full steam commercial, Wetpaint disables features that made it during the last two years to a prime choice for Education. The membership management was easy and transparent. Now?
It would be helpful to teachers, if Wetpaint announces in advance when features of the sites are changed that affect directly the use of the Wetpaint Wikis in the classroom. The disturbance in my class from this member invitation change during the teaching period caused serious problems in my class management. It seems that the Wetpaint "crew" does not care."
I'm with you on this!! I was just about to deliver a workshop on Wetpaint and encourage other teachers to join, but not anymore...back to PB Works or perhaps Wikidot....I had a feeling this would happen and wish I had never migrated all of my stuff over here. Live and Learn
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altucker
altucker
7. RE: Invite not able to accept
Nov 3 2009, 1:58 PM EST | Post edited: Nov 3 2009, 1:58 PM EST
This is mind-blowing. Wetpaint made a drastic mistake by getting rid of ad-free wikis. With this stroke of idiocy the company is basically saying they could care less about the welfare of student-users who are using their tools. This ends my association with Wetpaint and I hope every other educator makes the same decision. This is so stupid. Good luck getting users to continue to support your company. 1  out of 1 found this valuable. Do you?    
drwh0
drwh0
8. RE: Invite not able to accept
Nov 5 2009, 10:48 PM EST | Post edited: Nov 5 2009, 10:48 PM EST
"I'm with you on this!! I was just about to deliver a workshop on Wetpaint and encourage other teachers to join, but not anymore...back to PB Works or perhaps Wikidot....I had a feeling this would happen and wish I had never migrated all of my stuff over here. Live and Learn"
Yup, I'm presenting our wiki at a conference on Saturday, and these feature failures are not going to look good. In the words of the students "Epic Fail." A room full of professors is going to know to find an alternative to Wetpaint. What shortsightedness!
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altucker
altucker
9. RE: Invite not able to accept
Nov 6 2009, 3:12 AM EST | Post edited: Nov 6 2009, 3:12 AM EST
"Yup, I'm presenting our wiki at a conference on Saturday, and these feature failures are not going to look good. In the words of the students "Epic Fail." A room full of professors is going to know to find an alternative to Wetpaint. What shortsightedness!"
It was while I was presenting to 75 teachers/administrators at a state conference on education technology that I found out about this recent business move by Wetpaint. Wetpaint has decided to burn all bridges to the education market. What a idiotic business move. People in education will remember these decisions and lack of warnings. I'm testing Google sites and it looks like it's capable of handling much of what we do with Wetpaint.
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GBC
10. RE: Invite not able to accept
Nov 6 2009, 1:07 PM EST | Post edited: Nov 6 2009, 1:07 PM EST
"It was while I was presenting to 75 teachers/administrators at a state conference on education technology that I found out about this recent business move by Wetpaint. Wetpaint has decided to burn all bridges to the education market. What a idiotic business move. People in education will remember these decisions and lack of warnings. I'm testing Google sites and it looks like it's capable of handling much of what we do with Wetpaint."
Yes, the same happened at this end. A number of cooleagues at my college have gone with Google Sites too, and I just met a tech savvy colleague who suggested Windows live....best of luck to you too!
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jeremy_wetpaint
jeremy_wetpaint
11. RE: Invite not able to accept
Nov 6 2009, 3:02 PM EST | Post edited: Nov 6 2009, 3:02 PM EST
I understand how disappointing some of the recent changes have been. Wetpaint has had to make some tough business decisions in the past few months. With the economy the way it is these days, Wetpaint needed to make some cuts and refocus on our core product. We lost some truly great people in layoffs, and those of us remaining on had to figure out how to streamline things in order to absorb the responsibilities of those that were let go. We dropped the free ad removal program for this reason, and we have made changes to the platform (phasing out private site features) for this reason as well. In order for Wetpaint to be sustainable and successful we have had to make cuts on the periphery. Unfortunately education programs and private site features fall into this area. We love education, but it's not our core business. With the resources that we have right now, it's not an area that we are able to expend our creative energies on.

We're bummed to hear that some educators are going to other tools or platforms, but we're also happy to see that thousands of educators are continuing to use Wetpaint despite the changes we've had to make. Our core feature-set is still available free of charge for those that find value in it, and we are committed to continue improving on that offering.
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drwh0
drwh0
12. RE: Invite not able to accept
Nov 6 2009, 4:11 PM EST | Post edited: Nov 6 2009, 4:11 PM EST
"I understand how disappointing some of the recent changes have been. Wetpaint has had to make some tough business decisions in the past few months. With the economy the way it is these days, Wetpaint needed to make some cuts and refocus on our core product. We lost some truly great people in layoffs, and those of us remaining on had to figure out how to streamline things in order to absorb the responsibilities of those that were let go. We dropped the free ad removal program for this reason, and we have made changes to the platform (phasing out private site features) for this reason as well. In order for Wetpaint to be sustainable and successful we have had to make cuts on the periphery. Unfortunately education programs and private site features fall into this area. We love education, but it's not our core business. With the resources that we have right now, it's not an area that we are able to expend our creative energies on.

We're bummed to hear that some educators are going to other tools or platforms, but we're also happy to see that thousands of educators are continuing to use Wetpaint despite the changes we've had to make. Our core feature-set is still available free of charge for those that find value in it, and we are committed to continue improving on that offering."
I've been on both sides of this fence, having spent 15 years in the software industry. Talk to educators about being economically marginal.

In any case, I suppose the bottom line, is that had we known we were not Wetpaint's core business, that we were in "the periphery," we might not have invested so much of our scarce resource, time, into making this platform work for us.

The academy is a locus for early adoption, and at least one origin of innovation regardless of other business constraints.

In the end, we get what we pay for, and had we greater resources, we'd pay for the functionality we truly need.
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jeremy_wetpaint
jeremy_wetpaint
13. RE: Invite not able to accept
Nov 6 2009, 7:20 PM EST | Post edited: Nov 6 2009, 7:20 PM EST
I don't envy educators some of the challenges that they face. It's sad that despite massive increases in spending on education over the past several decades, educators are more economically marginalized than ever. Whatever it is we're doing with the education system, it doesn't seem to be helping it work at peak efficiency. Do you find this valuable?    
altucker
altucker
14. RE: Invite not able to accept
Nov 7 2009, 4:54 AM EST | Post edited: Nov 7 2009, 4:54 AM EST
TYLENOL - that's what's missing at Wetpaint. It's not the changes - it's the lack of notification or sending of a simple email - it's learning of policy changes like this while you're presenting at a conference in front of 100 people. When Tylenol tampering happened back in the early 80s - that company's upfront honest dealings helped people sympathize with the company and brand loyalty thrived. Contrast this with both the timing and lack of communication of the past three months and you're going to get huge uproars and people with hurt feelings and anger. A week before school starts ad-free edu sites are pulled. We find out invites to private sites won't work by "Invite not able to accept." type posts here. Can't change the past - but the perception on the street is Wetpaint is abandoning education. You can't be surprised by that perception given the poor communication over the past three months. Do you find this valuable?    
jeremy_wetpaint
jeremy_wetpaint
15. RE: Invite not able to accept
Nov 9 2009, 12:54 PM EST | Post edited: Nov 9 2009, 12:54 PM EST
"TYLENOL - that's what's missing at Wetpaint. It's not the changes - it's the lack of notification or sending of a simple email - it's learning of policy changes like this while you're presenting at a conference in front of 100 people. When Tylenol tampering happened back in the early 80s - that company's upfront honest dealings helped people sympathize with the company and brand loyalty thrived. Contrast this with both the timing and lack of communication of the past three months and you're going to get huge uproars and people with hurt feelings and anger. A week before school starts ad-free edu sites are pulled. We find out invites to private sites won't work by "Invite not able to accept." type posts here. Can't change the past - but the perception on the street is Wetpaint is abandoning education. You can't be surprised by that perception given the poor communication over the past three months."
There's a bit of a difference between an over the counter drug that has been tampered with and a free web service that makes changes to it's features. The former is a potentially deadly anomaly, and the latter is the norm for the web industry.

I definitely agree that being open with customers is a good approach, but in the web industry sometimes things will change quickly and drastically. If the changes are valuable to lots of people, then we have done our job well. However, we do acknowledge that changes will always alienate or frustrate a certain sub-set of users. That's just how things work in this industry.
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willsb
16. RE: Invite not able to accept
Nov 23 2009, 6:00 PM EST | Post edited: Nov 23 2009, 6:00 PM EST
The response above is completely unacceptable. The recent changes have caught out our school completely and the 140 or so sites we have created are now no longer suitable as ePortfolio sites.
Wikispacces appear to be able to serve both a commercial market and expand their support of educational users. Poor show wetpaint!
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